Just bought my Wayne goss brushes.

Aug 15, 2016

Christina R.

OMG I just bought my first set of high end brushes!! I decided to go with Wayne Goss' collection due to the fact that I have been a fan since 2011 and heard great reviews about it! Plus I seen a review done by Stephanie Nicole and how she educates about the difference between synthetic and animal hair.

Overall I'm just so excited to get these brushes and get rid of my old cheap brushes that are shedding.

How were your experiences with the Wayne goss collection? Should I throw out all my old brushes?

Aug 15, 2016

Jacqueline H.

I have a few different Wayne Goss brushes, and overall, I am quite pleased with them. I do not care for some his shapes though (personal preference). If you take care of these brushes, they should last you a very long time. Enjoy!  :)

Aug 17, 2016

Leuca S.

Synthetic brushes still have their uses, and will generally have better tolerance to cleaning, which you should be doing often if you're using your brushes with cream/liquid products.

Make sure you are not over-washing your WG brushes. They're extremely good quality natural hair and need to be treated delicately.

Aug 17, 2016

Jacqueline H.

I don't know if I would agree that synthetic brushes have a 'better tolerance' to cleaning than natural bristle brushes, but we are all entitled to our opinions. :)

When it comes to caring for Wayne's brushes, it's not as complicated as one might think. When it comes to cleaning the brushes when used with powder products (blush, eye shadows, face powders ) you don't, nor should you wash them after every use. What you do to 'clean' them after use: Use a clean piece of tissue and gently wipe them against the tissue, and the brush will release any residual product onto the tissue. I do that until I see no more residue from the brush.

I only wash these, and my other 'sensitive' powder product brushes about once a month. When you do actually wash them, avoid any alcohol solvent types of cleansers: Parian Spirit, Cinema Secrets, Ben Nye Brush cleaner, etc. I use The London Brush Company's soap. I think Wayne uses baby shampoo to wash his. When it comes to washing more high end, or 'sensitive'natural bristle foundation brushes, that's a bit different; those do need to washed more frequently, and it just depends on how often you use the brush on yourself. When I see beads of product on the bristle, that's when I wash. Wayne did make a video about how to care for his brushes. Here's the link to it: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGmBUgwxMxU

Aug 17, 2016

Leuca S.

I'm not sure how you can deny that synthetic fibers are more durable; they're literally made to be so. Because they're essentially non-porous, their texture and feel depends very little on their "moisture content", which will basically be next to nothing anyway. The durability of a synthetic fiber brush is entirely dependent on how well it was manufactured/put together. This means they're much less susceptible to chemical (and physical) wear and tear, unless you think your natural hair is more durable than a man-made substance that's made specifically so you can wash it/keep it hygenic.

This is in stark contrast to natural fibers such as the goat/squirrel hair in the WG brushes, which will dry out and be subjected to chemical degradation if you expose them to substances such as alcohol/harsh solvents, hence why Wayne himself tells you not to wash them often.

Especially for people who are quite breakout prone, it's important that the tools we use are not laden with bacteria, hence why having brushes you can clean more often when using moisture laden products is important, and that's where synthetic fibers come into play. There's varying types of synthetic fiber now, from generic taklon to the extremely versatile tafre, but they all share a resistance to chemical/physical degradation that natural bristles lack simply because they're... natural.

Aug 17, 2016

Jacqueline H.

Hi Leuca; I understand where you are coming from, I really do, and I can respect your opinion. I do not agree with you in the sense that all synthetic brush materials used in brushes are 'more' durable than natural bristle as a whole. For me, it depends on the overall construction of the brush and the kind of synthetic material used. I don't know if you read what I said in it's entirety, but I did tell Christina 'not' to use any alcohol based solvent cleansers on those brushes. As you have said, and as I have said, brushes that utilize higher grade materials need to be treated and cared for very differently. I'm not sure why you felt the need to mention your opinions on synthetic brushes on this particular thread. It is very clear that you seem to have a preference for them; however, not everyone needs to hear 'your' particular preference, especially when it is clearly not asked for, and has nothing to do with the content of the thread.

Instead of 'telling' Christina not to over wash her brushes, why not tell her 'how' to care for them instead. That's what this community is about, being helpful. I have been a professional artist for well over a decade, and am quite aware of the sanitary requirements that need to be upheld for the safety and well being of the talent that we work with, and I also know, and on some level agree with you in regards to the use of synthetic brushes on acne prone skin.

I have been a member of this community for 4 years now, and I hope you will take what I am about to say to heart; even though you may not think so, what I am about to say comes from a good place. From what I have seen of you thus far on this site, you are blunt, and I can respect that. There is a difference between being blunt, and just being flat out pompous. Speaking only for myself, I don't understand why you feel the need to get into adolescent 'pissing matches' with members whose opinions differ from your own. Different opinions make the world go around, and I don't understand why you cannot seem to be more respectful in tone to other members of this community. I know I do not need to be lectured by you on makeup brushes, or be told that I am 'wrong' because my view is a bit different than yours. If you want others to respect you and the advice that you give, it would be wise to show others that same courtesy. :)

I'm glad we have another knowledgeable member of this community in you, I hope you will consider what I have said here, and in turn reflect the spirit of the Beautylish community: A group of truly talented and wonderful people with different opinions and views that respect and value each other. Of course these are only my opinions, and you can choose to completely disregard them as it is your right. I hope to see more positive and respectful posts from you in the future. Have a blessed day.  :)

Aug 18, 2016

Leuca S.

I actually don't have a preference for them as a whole, and I mentioned them because the OP of this topic spoke of Stephanie Nicole's video, which also mentions them when it describes the difference between synthetic/natural hairs, even though Stephanie seems to be a little behind when it comes to synthetic bristle fiber production. That in particular surprised me, given that she has worked on the production side of things within the beauty industry for years.

I just think it is important the OP knows the functional difference between synthetic and natural fibers, and that both are a valuable addition to her collection. It's just the nature of how different fibers react to alcohol/other solvents/surfactants; the various types of synthetic fiber use polyester as the base, and then the more advanced ones branch out from there with hybrid fibers. Polyester is more resilient to chemical/physical degradation than natural hair. Investing in a high quality synthetic brush for frequent application *and* cleansing will make working with liquid/cream products a better, safer, and healthier experience for anybody, regardless of how advanced their application technique is.

I actually prefer my natural hair bristled brushes for detailed application of powders such as eyeshadow and highlighter, but preference in aesthetics of application (opinion) are not the same as the scientific difference between things (facts). If I correct somebody, it's going to be the for the latter, obviously.

I can appreciate your analysis of my approach when responding to topics, because I am definitely blunt, but I'd like to make a few things clear. I'm not even close to being new to the industry. I'm not here to get into an argument over "opinions", nor am I here to call people "adolescent" for disagreeing with me. If I'm violating the forum rules, I would be more than open to some guideline specificity from somebody at Beautylish, but from what I can understand reading them I'm not doing too badly. I'm not personally attacking anybody, nor am I harassing them. The information I provide is accurate and concise, and I keep my responses on the science side of things rather than aesthetic difference and preference.

Aug 18, 2016

Roz X.

Leuca,

Since you are eagerly seeking guidance in addition to what has been shared here in Ms. Jacqueline's post regarding the spirit of the board, I do hope the moderators offer further assistance. To help matters along, I'll be certain to flag your request and excuse myself.

Christina, I do hope you enjoy your brushes immensely.

Aug 18, 2016

Sabrina K.

Thank you to Rozberry for bringing this to our attention.

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Leuca after now seeing a few of your comments on several thread I would just like to say that there is a way of stating your opinion with respect for others opinions and I think you should take this to heart. We are a community build on a love for makeup - We have awesome professionals like Jacqueline on here and we have makeup enthusiast as myself and we have a lot of young girls just getting into makeup who are here to learn about it all. With all of our diffrences the one thing we all have in commen is makeup and respect! Respect for each other and respect for a different opinion.

If you have questions about this community you are very welcome to reach out to me or one of the other 5 mod and we will help you out.

Aug 19, 2016

Christina R.

Omg this whole chat happened in a matter of days lol.

Aug 19, 2016

Christina R.

Thank you Rozberry!