Anyone else NOT into the whole organic thing?

Jul 31, 2014

Alura J.

Since chemicals are everywhere these days :(

Jul 31, 2014

Maggie M.

Another great point Alura ☺️ the soil and water are so penetrated at this point that it's likely nothing is truly organic. However, supporting local and organic farms is the only way to encourage less pesticides and gmos etc. Anyone keeping up with the bee issue? Flowers from Walmart etc.are loaded with bee killing pesticides. I'm not saying we can save the world..goodness knows it'll all take care of itself at some point but in our consumer society I think it's important to direct our cash (our most prominent vote) towards the least destructive products.

Jul 31, 2014

Ciciii C.

I search for private farms. Its more easier and safer I go to my family friends and I go to other places. But that still doesn't mean you should put chemicals on our face. Americans , including my self , are lazy. Back in the olden days everyone mostly grew their own crops or plantations. The ones saying they like chemicals , well thats not right to say. These "Chemicals" your putting on your face can cause cancer , kidney problems , ect. So go ahead and keep putting it on your face. Why can't we make our own fruits and vegetables to be healthier? Because we're too lazy. Its too much work.

Jul 31, 2014

Maggie M.

I don't think that's quite the point. There are clear benefits to scientific advancements across the board and chemicals aren't the "bad guy" nor is "natural" a legitimate path. My theory for diet as well as products is to aim for as few ingredients as possible. A clean lifestyle if you will. Everyone should be able to live the life they see fit but I'll say it again..if you don't care to be aware of what you're putting ON your body then you certainly shouldn't give a hoot what you put in it. You know? Seems like an absurd contradiction to moi ☺️

Jul 31, 2014

Ciciii C.

@Maggie yea , I see what your saying , but its hard now days with the GMOS it is? We can't tell who put in what. Everything we have to get is get stuff from the source.

Jul 31, 2014

Ciciii C.

Emily , I never said ALL chemicals are bad. And I never said anything about it 'Automatically' causing health issues. I'm just saying what they are putting in this stuff is bad for all of us. Don't you know some NON-Gmo and organic companies tells lies? Yes this world is made up of chemicals but the scientist are making NEW chemicals WITH chemicals. Like I said I go to a relative and IK what's in the egg and IK what she does. Think about it. In the 70s on down the ratings on this was small. Now all of a sudden the charts are high with obesity , and food addictions and a lot of health problems. (OVER the years) Yes there was probably cancer then but it wasnt like it is now. Explain that? People are dieing for no reason with these chemicals the scientist are making. I'm simply , MOSTLY talking about what we're putting on our faces. Your talking about what we eat and put in our bodies. Both is a 50/50. MOST of the chemicals is harmful and there is a handful that isnt , But I do understand where your coming from though.

Jul 31, 2014

Ciciii C.

And about your last sentence , thats why you need to go these private farmers. Learn about it , and grow your own , if you have the money. There is plenty of ways to do things the right things , you just need the knowledge.

Jul 31, 2014

Emily W.

Obesity and increased rates of chronic illness are a result in major socioeconomic shifts in recent decades from a manufacturing and labor based economy to a service and information based economy. The average American is far more sedentary than they were forty years ago. Additionally, pollution from technology manufacturing as well as the massive increase in the number of vehicles operating in recent years, as well as water table contamination from decades of industrial runoff and other activities (mining, fracking, etc) contribute greatly to instances of cancer and other nongenetic illness. Not to mention reporting bias; widespread studies on instances of cancers were few and less widely accessible than in today's age of instant information. There very well may be less cancer than in the 1970s, it is statistically impossible to know for sure. The chemicals we use in products have not changed drastically. There are more processed foods, but that is an issue of nutrition rather than harm from chemicals. I have yet to see a single scientifically sound study that links any widely consumed chemical preservative or other ingredient to a major illness.

Scientists are not creating new chemicals. They synthesize chemical compounds using molecular structures already present in nature. There is nothing inherently dangerous in chemistry. Yes, certain chemical compounds are toxic to humans. Most are not. Chemical compounds in food and beauty products are not dangerous. Even if an ingredient has toxicity, often it is only toxic in quantities or concentrations so large that it would be impossible to ingest.

I grew up on a farm. I have grown, raised, and hunted my own food. I understand how the agricultural system works. Additionally I have studied chemistry and food science. I understand what chemicals are, how they operate, and what purposes they serve in the products we all use every day.

Jul 31, 2014

Emily W.

Stupid app posted before I was done typing.

I'm not saying that people who want to live a more "organic" lifestyle shouldn't do that. I'm saying that people should take the time to actually understand what is in the products they use, instead of going 'I can't pronounce it, it must be bad'. That was the point of my example with the egg. If I took away the explanation and just left the "ingredients" list, most people would assume that it is some manufactured product and that it is less wholesome, just because of the chemical compounds.

Jul 31, 2014

Ciciii C.

How else is all rhe chaos happening in the You.S its through the food we eat. Where did you think cocain came from? Its made with a bunch of chemicals. What about drugs -For health? Chemical made with a chemical basically. Point blank we're getting off the topic. It all comes down to what we want on our faces and in our body's? I don't need to study science to understand what these people are doing to society.

Jul 31, 2014

Ciciii C.

And emily ik what you mean my phone is acting stupid I'm just now seeing your comment. But I understand what your saying I'm just saying that the ones who say they love chemicals , there body going to crave it. (Without them knowing of course) But its kinda hard to explain what I'm saying lol. But thank you for the knowledge.

Aug 1, 2014

Alyx T.

I don't want to add drama to this argument, because it really is pointless. Each of you have had valid points but I definitely agree with Emily. And you can't just go full natural at all due to air pollution, and water.
But ciera, Cocaine has been around for hundreds of years. Ancient Egyptians used to make cocaine before any chemist were really established. Cocaine is one of the oldest drugs and though now people add bad things to it, it's actually from the leaves of a coca plant. So it is natural.

Aug 1, 2014

Ciciii C.

This is not a argument Alyx we're just voicing opinions. Oh! C: new fact. But its not the same anymore. Its made with chemcials now. And who said anything about air Pollution and water , lol we're talking about the food. And what their putting in it.

Aug 1, 2014

Alyx T.

Cocaine is made the same way, from the same plant. Like I said, chemicals are added to make it unique to the maker or to make it more addicting but it's still not made of chemicals itself. I had to do a whole drug history project for my health class last year, and mine was about cocaine. Modern and ancient.

My point about the water and air was that even the farmers who don't use pesticides or chemicals to grow their plants still get rained on and are still exposed to air pollution. Besides if they use any weed killer or anything on their grass or plants (not crops) it can travel through air and be on the crops, but they don't have to mention that. My moms old boyfriends friend was a organic farmer and I was personally there when he used chemicals on other plants like grass or just trees to kill bugs or weeds but avoided the food crops. It was in the air for days though.