Terra, I definitely get that. For me personally, its a process. As i said I purchased many L'Oreal products before I made it my business to find out more about companies. So I've just stopped purchasing them and I'm trying to phase them out as I build my make up collection.
In cases of medical research (especially as with pet animal vaccines) this may be more acceptable to some. However, let's not kid ourselves that animal testing by cosmetics companies involves fluffing some blush onto a bunny's cheeks to see if it causes a rash. Animal testing for cosmetics has already been banned in several countries, so it's clearly not necessary anymore.
From what i've read when selling in China isn't it the Chinese government who decide what products are tested and actually does the testing? Not the brand itself? I disagree with Urban Decays decision as i do not for one minute think they are going to change things in China, but i guess we can all be hopeful.
True, technically it is the Chinese government that requires some of these brands to test on animals. But the companies themselves are CHOOSING to sell in China (they don't have to, and many didn't used to because of such restrictions) and the companies are either doing the testing themselves or outsourcing it and footing the bill. Either way, unclean hands.
"At least this did not fall on deaf ears with you."
Hey, now, I literally have deaf ears, ha.
Anyhow.
Oh, L'oreal. I remember when I was a fan of them when I was first getting into makeup. Now I can't be bothered with them, ha.
And yes, apparently UD itself isn't doing the actual testing but they're sending the products over and people in China are doing it? Something like that. But UD is choosing to do it, so imo, it doesn't make it any better.
@Rikki that's embarrassing lol, I'm sorry if I offended you! And yes, Urban Decay has sacrificed their integrity for profit now. I have only had the chance to buy one Urban Decay product, I just started getting into them. I'm pretty bummed I have to quit buying their stuff now, I didn't even get to try much. I see you pipe up a lot in the threads, what do you think about what Sally posted? (this isn't an attack Sally thread now lol, I just really am curious to know)...
Just don't use that phrase anymore. ;)
(Seriously, don't, haha)
There is no Sally in this thread, but if you mean Shelly, haha, then.... well, I agree with the lead thing. There is a website that shows how bad~ and how much chemical~ is in every single makeup product and most products were in the "high hazard" level. So everyone here is talking about lead, lead, lead, but nobody wants to mention anything else? Ehhh, haha. It's like the "zombie attacks" that happened lately. Cannibalism has been going on for years but people are only talking about it now? Give me a break. Of course, I COULD change my mind in the future, but from what I've read NOW, I'm not worried about it. And well, if I get sick from it, then it's my fault and I'll deal with the consequences personally! I do understand both sides, but right now, I'm just on Shelly's.
(There are other brands that have lead in their lipsticks, but nobody's talked about those? That question is out of curiosity, not the "lol well why aren't you people talking about those!" snarky kind of question.) Lead is in food too so if we're going to worry about lead in cosmetics, why aren't we worrying about lead in food? It's been in blueberries, juices, etc. I'm seeing all this talk about cosmetics, but not food! Well, this is beautylish, not... hungrylish (ha, I crack myself up) so... well, let's pretend I never mentioned food. Now I'm hungry.
However, I am getting tired of being told from people in general (yes, in general, not one person alone) that boycotting doesn't do any good (not just 'cos of animal testing, but because of brands supporting Internet/freedom of speech censorship recently) and you may as well just buy from them or not wear makeup at all (I'm paraphrasing all of this from all things I've been told, so I'm not putting words in one specific person's mouth, let me make that clear). Let me boycott and I'll let you not boycott, haha.
Again my you* = general you.
I've officially edited this post so many times that it probably sounds nonsensical by now.
I think what alot of people may not understand or care not to, is that by boycotting a certain company for animal testing its not because I think they will stop, or go out of business or find alternate ways of testing like the many that are available now, but because its not something I agree with and I would never sell myself out for a lipstick. I am truly passionate about a few things in life this is one of them, I would feel ugly wearing the most gorgeous red lipstick if I knew an animal suffered in order for me to wear it. I hope all companies some day stop testing on animals, but for now I'll just stand up for what I believe in.
I wont. Yeah, I meant Shelly, lol. I get the points with the lead being in other products and food. And I get sick of seeing that "you might as well stop wearing make up, blah blah, blah" -_- no, how about I'll stand for what I believe in when companies are blatantly doing crap I don't like. Like you said, people can do what they want to without me bashing or holding a pitchfork to their behind, and I'll do what I choose to do.
Ohhh, I like that! I live an hourish away from Charlotte and will be there sometime next month to go to South Park Mall for my birthday, probably. Love that mall and their big ol' (lol well bigger than the JCSephora here) Sephora.
Mallory, I like that. We know that boycotting~ isn't going to automatically make them go "oh well boo hoo I guess we'll have to stop". When the SOPA/ACTA/whatever-A went down and MAC went for it, I "boycotted~", yes, and I also sent e-mails. Obviously, it didn't change anything, hahaha, but I stepped up a little and it felt good to me!
To be honest, testing on animals doesn't really bother me. I love animals and it isn't that I like to think of then suffering, but animal experimentation had helped society so much and I can vouch for it without feeling bad. I actually wrote a research paper on how it benefits our society last year. I can understand why people have a problem with it, and i thinks it's great that people stand up for what they believe in, but I'll never turn away from a certain brand on account of animal experimentation.
Everyone saying it's hard to stay cruelty-free should go to the my beauty bunny website! They talk about tons of great animal friendly companies! I have a huge collection of cruelty-free makeup and a lot of it of from the drugstores. Revlon is my favorite drugstore brand and they don't animal test. :)
Halley, animal testing for medical purposes is one thing but testing cosmetics on them is cruel and unnecessary. Also it isn't even the most accurate way to test if a product is safe. Medical testing helped us over the years but for cosmetics it's just the "cheapest option".
Ashley, i understand that there are safer options now, but i still think its been a good contribution for those who wear makeup. It really doesn't bother me that they still test on animals. Most people would go for the cheapest option if it works, and I'm ok with that. I respect your right to believe that it's wrong, but my opinion will never change on this issue. I'm happy to see that you and others stand up for what you believe in, though.
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Jun 12, 2012
Ayanna P.
Terra, I definitely get that. For me personally, its a process. As i said I purchased many L'Oreal products before I made it my business to find out more about companies. So I've just stopped purchasing them and I'm trying to phase them out as I build my make up collection.
Jun 12, 2012
Angela C.
In answer to the question of whether or not animal testing involves harming the animals: http://www.idausa.org/facts/costest...
In cases of medical research (especially as with pet animal vaccines) this may be more acceptable to some. However, let's not kid ourselves that animal testing by cosmetics companies involves fluffing some blush onto a bunny's cheeks to see if it causes a rash. Animal testing for cosmetics has already been banned in several countries, so it's clearly not necessary anymore.
Jun 12, 2012
Katie Louise H.
From what i've read when selling in China isn't it the Chinese government who decide what products are tested and actually does the testing? Not the brand itself? I disagree with Urban Decays decision as i do not for one minute think they are going to change things in China, but i guess we can all be hopeful.
Jun 12, 2012
Angela C.
True, technically it is the Chinese government that requires some of these brands to test on animals. But the companies themselves are CHOOSING to sell in China (they don't have to, and many didn't used to because of such restrictions) and the companies are either doing the testing themselves or outsourcing it and footing the bill. Either way, unclean hands.
Jun 12, 2012
Ayanna P.
Thank you Katie and Angela for bringing up those points!
Jun 12, 2012
Rikki P.
"At least this did not fall on deaf ears with you."
Hey, now, I literally have deaf ears, ha.
Anyhow.
Oh, L'oreal. I remember when I was a fan of them when I was first getting into makeup. Now I can't be bothered with them, ha.
And yes, apparently UD itself isn't doing the actual testing but they're sending the products over and people in China are doing it? Something like that. But UD is choosing to do it, so imo, it doesn't make it any better.
Jun 12, 2012
Ayanna P.
@Rikki that's embarrassing lol, I'm sorry if I offended you! And yes, Urban Decay has sacrificed their integrity for profit now. I have only had the chance to buy one Urban Decay product, I just started getting into them. I'm pretty bummed I have to quit buying their stuff now, I didn't even get to try much. I see you pipe up a lot in the threads, what do you think about what Sally posted? (this isn't an attack Sally thread now lol, I just really am curious to know)...
Jun 13, 2012
Rikki P.
Just don't use that phrase anymore. ;)
(Seriously, don't, haha)
There is no Sally in this thread, but if you mean Shelly, haha, then.... well, I agree with the lead thing. There is a website that shows how bad~ and how much chemical~ is in every single makeup product and most products were in the "high hazard" level. So everyone here is talking about lead, lead, lead, but nobody wants to mention anything else? Ehhh, haha. It's like the "zombie attacks" that happened lately. Cannibalism has been going on for years but people are only talking about it now? Give me a break. Of course, I COULD change my mind in the future, but from what I've read NOW, I'm not worried about it. And well, if I get sick from it, then it's my fault and I'll deal with the consequences personally! I do understand both sides, but right now, I'm just on Shelly's.
(There are other brands that have lead in their lipsticks, but nobody's talked about those? That question is out of curiosity, not the "lol well why aren't you people talking about those!" snarky kind of question.) Lead is in food too so if we're going to worry about lead in cosmetics, why aren't we worrying about lead in food? It's been in blueberries, juices, etc. I'm seeing all this talk about cosmetics, but not food! Well, this is beautylish, not... hungrylish (ha, I crack myself up) so... well, let's pretend I never mentioned food. Now I'm hungry.
However, I am getting tired of being told from people in general (yes, in general, not one person alone) that boycotting doesn't do any good (not just 'cos of animal testing, but because of brands supporting Internet/freedom of speech censorship recently) and you may as well just buy from them or not wear makeup at all (I'm paraphrasing all of this from all things I've been told, so I'm not putting words in one specific person's mouth, let me make that clear). Let me boycott and I'll let you not boycott, haha.
Again my you* = general you.
I've officially edited this post so many times that it probably sounds nonsensical by now.
OH HEY YOU LIVE IN NORTH CAROLINA TOO
Jun 13, 2012
mallory w.
I think what alot of people may not understand or care not to, is that by boycotting a certain company for animal testing its not because I think they will stop, or go out of business or find alternate ways of testing like the many that are available now, but because its not something I agree with and I would never sell myself out for a lipstick. I am truly passionate about a few things in life this is one of them, I would feel ugly wearing the most gorgeous red lipstick if I knew an animal suffered in order for me to wear it. I hope all companies some day stop testing on animals, but for now I'll just stand up for what I believe in.
Jun 13, 2012
Ayanna P.
I wont. Yeah, I meant Shelly, lol. I get the points with the lead being in other products and food. And I get sick of seeing that "you might as well stop wearing make up, blah blah, blah" -_- no, how about I'll stand for what I believe in when companies are blatantly doing crap I don't like. Like you said, people can do what they want to without me bashing or holding a pitchfork to their behind, and I'll do what I choose to do.
Yeah, in Charlotte! Just moved here, actually ^_^
Jun 13, 2012
Rikki P.
Ohhh, I like that! I live an hourish away from Charlotte and will be there sometime next month to go to South Park Mall for my birthday, probably. Love that mall and their big ol' (lol well bigger than the JCSephora here) Sephora.
Mallory, I like that. We know that boycotting~ isn't going to automatically make them go "oh well boo hoo I guess we'll have to stop". When the SOPA/ACTA/whatever-A went down and MAC went for it, I "boycotted~", yes, and I also sent e-mails. Obviously, it didn't change anything, hahaha, but I stepped up a little and it felt good to me!
Jun 13, 2012
Chineen M.
thank you for sharing....
Jun 13, 2012
Halley N.
To be honest, testing on animals doesn't really bother me. I love animals and it isn't that I like to think of then suffering, but animal experimentation had helped society so much and I can vouch for it without feeling bad. I actually wrote a research paper on how it benefits our society last year. I can understand why people have a problem with it, and i thinks it's great that people stand up for what they believe in, but I'll never turn away from a certain brand on account of animal experimentation.
Jun 13, 2012
Ashley D.
Everyone saying it's hard to stay cruelty-free should go to the my beauty bunny website! They talk about tons of great animal friendly companies! I have a huge collection of cruelty-free makeup and a lot of it of from the drugstores. Revlon is my favorite drugstore brand and they don't animal test. :)
Jun 13, 2012
Ashley D.
Halley, animal testing for medical purposes is one thing but testing cosmetics on them is cruel and unnecessary. Also it isn't even the most accurate way to test if a product is safe. Medical testing helped us over the years but for cosmetics it's just the "cheapest option".
Jun 13, 2012
Halley N.
Ashley, i understand that there are safer options now, but i still think its been a good contribution for those who wear makeup. It really doesn't bother me that they still test on animals. Most people would go for the cheapest option if it works, and I'm ok with that. I respect your right to believe that it's wrong, but my opinion will never change on this issue. I'm happy to see that you and others stand up for what you believe in, though.
Jun 14, 2012
Shelly T.
I'll just leave this here...
http://personalcaretruth.com/2012/0...